my dad smokes pot, and let me tell you, it is NOT cool, so why are people always so lighthearted about drugs? it ruined my life, even tho he is not abusive and now my parents are divorced. i'm so happy becuase my mom is going to start dating again, but how can i tell my dad that i want him out of my life? the hard thing is, i still want a dad, and he's the only one i have...
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08:32:44 PM
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simply taking any drug can never be cool in itself.
maybe your dad's just not cool, regardless of his habit.
I think the more people that come out and talk about how drugs have hurt the people they love, the more people will understand that nonmedicinal drug use isn't acceptable in any form.
Sure many of us will do pot by the time we're out of college, those who won't are probably in the minority, but if people actually understood the risks I think they would make a very different descision concerning drug use.
I'd just like to point out that probably the worst risk you face using most drugs is getting caught by the government. The ridiculous intolerance we have for it makes getting caught destroy most chances you have for many colleges and good jobs.
Not to dismiss your case original poster, as I am sure that drugs do ruin many things, but I don't think it's just the drugs themselves.
The cost that causes people to go bankrupt them is also caused by the illegality of it.
Pot is proven to be a bit more dangerous than a cigarrette to smoke, but there aren't chain pot smokers, yet tobacco is allowed and marijuana is not.
Ecstasy isn't harmful at all. If you take way too much of it all the time there is some shaky evidence that it might lead to certain mental disorders including bi-polar, but safe recreational use is shown to have almost no negative side affects. In fact, using it in relationship counseling and in helping people (mainly soldiers) to overcome PTSD, you can make MONTHS of progress with just one session if the person is under the influence of ecstasy. It does make you stupid, leading to overhydration or dehydration, as well as hypo or hyperthermia because your internal heating system is messed up, but these are all things that could be overcome with not being stupid. The biggest danger using it is from buying a mimic that's actually dog heartworm pills and overdosing.
Heroine is very addictive, and there's the whole dirty needles thing, but it's also a narcotic much like morphine that has medicinal purposes.
Now there are chemicals like meth that are very dangerous and essentially rot holes in your brain.
Most drugs have the danger of buying the wrong thing, but if they were legalized (even if just in a medicinal sense), prices would drop, government finances would be better off because we could tax it, we could regulate how much someone could take, everyone would be sure that what they're getting is safe, PLUS we could make laws determining its safety such as no driving while under the influence (just like alcohol), and "no (insert drug here) zones."
We need to get away from this mindless mentality that all drugs are bad, because it causes a bunch of problems.
Using this as a connection to the original post, a lot of kids are lighthearted about it because (especially with pot), 1) they know it's not that bad for them, 2) it's fun, 3) they're sticking it to the man and their parents, etc. etc.
They don't all apply to everyone, but at least one probably applies.
drugs rock
[original poster] ok person who said "drugs rock" and the post before that who was trying to make drugs sound all nice and happy, let me tell you something. have YOU ever tried to talk to someone you loved while they were stoned and have then try to hide it from you and have them not make any sense? have them be comepletely insensible to reason or any emotions you have have? because he felt the need to turn to pot, he has become extremely paranoid and spends all of his time on conspiracy theory websites and i can't have a conversation with him without him spouting complete bullshit about how the government or whatever is out to kill us. the trouble is, he's so fucking smart, and so fucking loving, and he IS cool, first poster, but now he can't think straight. he lost all sense of proportion and started forgetting the impotance of paying family bills etc. that's why they divorced. HE ACTS MY AGE. i don't want my own fucking dad to act my age, i don't want to take care of him, i want him to take care of ME! i can't act like a normal kid. my close family (i.e. my borther, sister and mom) are on my side, but my sibs haven't really accepted it and all of my dad'd family and friends are on his side so we could never do any sort of intervention. guess wut, iam in PAIN, okay? and marijuana is a gateway drug, i have no idea if he is doing other ones. so don't give me any bullshit about how drugs rock, and don't give me any bullshit about how pot is only a bit more dangerous than a cigarette, it messes with your mind and destroys the ones you love. I want a dad, and I DON'T HAVE ONE. and now i'm terrified of going the way he's gone.
I'm not even going to apologize for the length of this post.
No. Ecstasy is NOT okay. I know a girl who died from an overdose. There is no "safe" way to take drugs. Is that a line of bullshit that you feed yourself to justify taking them?
If you think drugs rock try and do heroine for a few months and see how you turn out. You know for a fact that the rest of your life would be screwed, and yet you refuse to face facts so that you can justify doing pot later on. Cognitive dissonance is a dangerous thing.
In the end though, it comes down to the fact that someone who does drugs is saying they can't enjoy life unless they use chemicals to distort reality around them. When the day inevitably comes in a drug user's life when they can't enjoy a kiss, or a dance, or a sunset unless they're under the influence then that drug has taken away something they can never get back.
Just as a case study, post an "O" if you have used recreational drugs and an "X" if you ahve not.
X
I'm very sorry what happened to your dad original poster, but the fact is is that pot doesn't do that. There's obviously something else going on, and I'm not denying that pot could've been the catalyst, I'm just saying that it doesn't do that to everyone.
Now person denouncing heroine, I agree with you, which is why I said it should be used medicinally. Using it recreationally would be bad in most cases.
Onto Ecstasy, yes you can overdose. You can overdose on anything. You can overdose on aspirin if you really wanted to. Hell, you can overdose on water (one of the more dangerous possibilities while on X.) In fact, one out of a very large some is actually allergic to ecstasy, probably fatally so. Some people can't drink milk, some people are allergic to pollen, does that mean we should destroy all the plants?
Generally if you die from drugs it's because you were doing something stupid or you were sold the wrong thing, or you're just one of those very few people that happened to be shit outta luck with brain chemistry or whatever. What I'm saying is that with them being legalized, we can do the studies to find out to whom they are dangerous, we cna put labels on to tell people how to use them safely, and we can make sure that what they're taking is what they think they're taking.
As to people getting "fake happiness." Do you enjoy a good meal? Tasty food isn't required to live, you can live on disgusting crap if you really want to, but we don't want to cause we like having fun. Depending on drugs because your life sucks probably isn't the best policy, but using them as if you're going to a movie or going out to eat, I see no problem with.
It's your philosophy of no drugs that's making it dangerous for drug users everywhere.
Now to the original poster: Most of this is just my philosophy on drugs, and while I disagree with your hatred of pot I do see why you could despise such a thing. Most kids of alcoholics hate alcohol with good reason, that doens't mean I or other people aren't going to drink. I'm sorry it happened to you, but I do believe there's much more pro's for legalizings drugs than not.
One more thing on ecstasy, there is a safe way to take drugs, just because your friend wasn't doing it safely doesn't mean there isn't a safe way.
People drive unsafely all the time, I'd say I'm a pretty safe driver.
Chill out. Pot doesn't ruin people's lives. It's a lame drug anyways.
Original Poster, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Drugs may be fun, yes. Drugs may be used "responsibly." But drugs ruin lives, and there are better ways to have fun and be happy than using them. I feel deeply for you and your situation, and I hope that the posters defending the use of illegal drugs realize their mistake before that stuff seriously fucks them up.
Original Poster, I admire your strength. I hope with all my heart that something will come along to help lessen the pain of your situation.
As for the above Anonymous, I agree with YOU wholeheartedly.
originally posted by anonymous
"I hope that the posters defending the use of illegal drugs realize their mistake before that stuff seriously fucks them up."
Except I don't do drugs so joke's on you. But just because they won't mess up my life doesn't mean I don't realize that in a world with many drugs that people won't stop using, the harm is worse when they aren't legal.
I think prohibition pretty much showed that.
it's true prohibition didn't do anything, but that doesn't mean drugs are any better. what we need is a mass cultural antagonism towards drugs, like there is towards rape or something, but right now people joke about drugs all the time, hell, my teachers do, that's why nothing changes. that's why it's itsn't right to defend drugs. i think everyone realizes it's a stupid thing to do, but only when we all condemn it openly will anything change.
/Yes of course, it's the people who are condemning drugs that are making them dangerous./ Get a reality check. That's like saying anti-gun advocates are the ones causing gun deaths, if only everyone were given marksmanship training from a young age there'd be no problems, right? Wrong.
It's the drugs themselves. They're addictive, they're expensive, and they're dangerous. Yes, you absolutely could die your very first time using ecsatsy , so why in the heck would you ever try it? People make mistakes (more so when under the influence) so why risk takng drugs in the first place when even one mistake with a drug's dosage could be fatal.
Has anyone read Brave New World? Even if there were a drug with absolutely no side affects that was practically free to produce, it would still be an awful thing for society. When you take a drug your brain convinces you things are hilarious or pleasurable, when outside your skull things are exactly the same as they were. Taking drugs is the ultimate form of self deception. Marx says religion is the opiate of the masses? I say opiates are the opiates of the masses.
Not to sound like a nutty alarmnist, but if recreational drugs were ever legalized it would be the downfall of society. Bad day at work? Take some drugs! Argument with your wife? Take some drugs! But the problems outside still remain the same, while you sit in a drugged out stupor thinking everything's fine.
You all -know- people use drugs to escape reality. It's no wonder they lead to problems of poverty, neglect, and poor parenting like in the original poster's case.
It's completely different from saying anti-gun advocates cause gun deaths. It's a completely different issue. Marksmanship would stop senseless deaths from spray...maybe, but responsible use of drugs could solve most problems.
Drugs wouldn't be that expensive if they were legal.
You can die from your first trip in a car, why do we do it, because it's useful. A better analogy: with certain disorders, you could die from seeing the flashing lights at a movie theatre. Why would you go? because it's fun. Why do we disregard the danger? because we know it won't happen to us.
Please don't draw analogies that break down at a cursory glance.
As to brave new world: If I recall correctly, they were basically forced to take the drugs by the crazy society they were in. It's post-apocolyptic fiction, I don't think it applies too much today.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should say OOO YAY DRUGS LETS ALL DO DRUGS, but I'm saying we should legalize and condone them. If we want it to be morally wrong then let's teach out kids not to do it, let's not lock them up for trying new things. If you say it's legal to smoke pot in your house but not legal to drive, perhaps people would be content to do it in their house, and if they were driving then they'd get a DWI, just like with alcohol.
i think you're forgetting the point. yeah if drugs were just a happy potion maybe it would be okay, but you're still ignoring the realities of life. and you know what? it CAN cause the things that happenned to the original poster. pot is known for causing paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and emotional and other immaturity. have you ever tried to talk to a stoned person when you're not? it's not really all that fun and they seem remarkably immature. it's not just a matter if it possibly making you die if you use it, it's a matter of it affecting the way you live and the people you love too.
Well you can't be on it all the time and not fuck things up, just like you can't be drunk all the time and not fuck things up.
If you do anything too much you harm yourself, it's up to you not to mess up your life.
And I think it's rather funny to talk to someone while they're stoned and you're not... not about anything serious of course, but it is humorous.
But if drugs were made legal and inexpensive then think how many people -would- use them too often and ruin there lives. The purpose of government is to portect people, even when it means protecting them from themselves.
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