All lifes statements and thoughts should be made in theorems instead of laws,like most of math. There is always possiblity.
Many people will attack me for saying this... but religion (I'm mostly refering to Christianity) religion is a pacifer... it is the easy way out. If you have faith in a God you don't have to question and realize human limits, that we do infact have a limit to wat we can understand and what we can't.
SO the pacified in our society are considered stable and much to be desired because they have something to believe in, they know what they believe. I say that they just stop and use "GOD" as the answer for hard questions.
OK erase wat i just said... its dumb but it just seems to me that instead of treating everything we have faith in as law .. God is a theorem...
please i can't stop thinking abt wat i truly believe on this matter or wat i understand so it would be wonderful if i could have some feed back because obviously im trying to form an opinion
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01:54:23 PM
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I'll just say it before anyone else:
You mean "what" not "wat." That drives me just about more crazy than anything else.
Maybe I'll think of something constructive to say later.
The problem is people don't live in theorems, they live on faith. Not necessarily in god, but where would you be without the faith that your floor would be beneath you each morning or that your milk will pour downwards into your bowl rather than up towards the ceiling? Sure we can make "theorems" and "postulate"s and reason through every step of how and why, never trusting what's true and what's not. That's no way to live, you always come back to faith. That's why we have to simply trust and call it the Law of Gravity rather than just a Theorem. Without faith we'd be stuck, clinging to the ground.
(From a guy who's been playing with your same argument for years now, whose trying to present the other side for some perspective)
"You mean "what" not "wat." That drives me just about more crazy than anything else."
Sometimes people's H key is broken (I know mine is). Seriously though op, make sure to proofread before you post.
As to a limit to what humans can understand, I often wonder if there is one. We've gone from fire and the wheel to international internet links that can support games, things with very little need-based value, which millions play. We've sent probes to different planets and we've landed men on the moon. We have the cabability to destroy most life on our world many times over. We've gone from not knowing about sanitation and germs to decoding genes. Given enough time, I sincerely doubt all that many limits on to what we can discover.
Frankly I believe that there are a lot of christians that believe in science. Hell, even the vatican came out and said that intelligent design is a bunch of bullshit.
And as to your thought that God is a theorem...mathematically that's wrong, because theorems are things that are PROVEN based off of various postulates that we take for granted, so for a better analogy I'd say God is a postulate.
I don't like when people discard science in the name of religion, but I really don't care for the people that hate religion simply because it's religion. Much of what the christians are supposed to believe in and do are very good things., and just because I don't think god exists is no reason for me to fuck with them about what they believe.
It's pretty much some specific christians and not christianity that I have a problem with.
That was kind of disjointed, but there you have it.
Ahh...but in Judaism we are encouraged to question. As a matter of fact, if we simply accept what is written, we really haven't studied the text at all.
first of all, I would like to say, that while I find your view of God, rather, biased, I believe your description of religion is very insightful. Bravo.
However, like pchis, I cannot agree with people who disregared sience or religion. In my mind they are inseperable, though this may seem contradictory.
And thank you, thewordofrashi, for that wisdom. I'd rather people of my own faith would question theirs more often. Perhaps then, they would learn its meaning better.
Some people are more apt to question, that's just a fact. Certain people learn in school that they not only have to learn what's in the book but they have to come up with some of their own ideas and use facts to support them, while ohers believe that things are the way they are for a reason and there's no point in questioning because what we're told is true.
On a completely unrelated note did anyone know that when Bush had a 34% approval rating a few months ago he still had 74% for republicans compared to 6% for Democrats?
"Given enough time, I sincerely doubt all that many limits on to what we can discover."
God let's hope so becasue this global warming thing is starting to make me sweat.
Somehow, I can see where you are coming from, op.
And no, Pchis and rashi, it is not because I am a God-less heathen or any such rot.
I feel that there has been an over-emphasis on those things which we not only must accpet as faith, but that we also must realize are not universal truths to everyone.
Some examples include gay marriage, abortion and the teaching of Creation/Evolution in schools.
Please, everyone, let's not turn this into a debate about any of the above-mentioned topics, because they are highly emotional issues and I don't have the moral fortitude about me at the moment to discuss such things.
But what I see in the world is everyone forcing their religion and personal beliefs on everyone else. Just because you believe that God condems abortions doesn't mean everyone else believes the same thing. Your beliefs regarding the birth of the world and the source of life might not agree with someone else's. Does that make you more right than them?
People have stopped thinking for themselves, and started asking questions like "What would Jesus do?"
Well, I think that Jesus would cure cancer, restore sight to a blind man, preach universal peace, and feed the hungry. Is that what you are going to do?
Instead of trying to live like God, I propose that you ask yourself a different question. "What would Jesus want me to do?"
I think that the answer people come up with will be a more personally satisfying course in life, and will eliminate the unquestioned following of God that the original post speaks of.
One final parting message. For those of you who follow the Christian Bible, keep this in mind. In preaching His word, Jesus challenged the bounds of what the Jews considered acceptible human limitations. (no offense or slander meant to those Jews I know will be reading this soon)
If that made any sense at all, please let me know. I don't think I effectively communicated what was at first an awe-inspiring epiphany quite as effectively as I intended. Lost in translation, from my mind to the page.
That was actually quite insightful and even handed, knight_racer. I'm impressed.
"But what I see in the world is everyone forcing their religion and personal beliefs on everyone else. Just because you believe that God condems abortions doesn't mean everyone else believes the same thing. Your beliefs regarding the birth of the world and the source of life might not agree with someone else's. Does that make you more right than them?"
Well yes that's the whole point. Being christian isn't just about being a good person. It's about believing in christ and the trinity and the yattayattayatta. Trying to be a good person is only part of the religion. So while I dislike fundamentalists preaching to me as much as the next godless heathen, they don't share that openmindedness, so in their mind they are more right than you.
And in a way isn't you saying that you're on par with their beliefs in a way saying that yours are better because the on par is the correct one, not their one that said theirs was better.
I'm just being argumentative.
pchis really, let's not annoy the masses with argumentative administrators.
"God let's hope so becasue this global warming thing is starting to make me sweat."
Thank you for that, anonymous. That was funny on so many levels.
rashi, you will be suprised at what you hear if you are simply willing to listen.
pchis, forgive me for not stating what I intended to express. What I meant is that while you may believe that you are more right than the other person, it would be nice for you to consider the possibility that in their mind they are the more correct, and you are a blathering idiot.
If we all were to do this, to be willing to listen and to at least make half an attempt to understand each other without using terms like Godless heathen (even though it sounds cool), religious extremist, Jihad, and the numerous negatively connotated words that have risen in use lately our world would be a much safer and less divided place, something the soldiers who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan might have appreciated.
"And as to your thought that God is a theorem...mathematically that's wrong, because theorems are things that are PROVEN based off of various postulates that we take for granted, so for a better analogy I'd say God is a postulate."
yes, yes this is true but I am kinda saying that God is kind of proven by postulates we call the Bible - but your right mathmatically postulate is a better analogy. (im not extremely mathmatically savy, sorry.)
oh by the way - thanks to all for feedback, its been a thoughtful afternoon.
oh no.
I believe in God on a very mathmatical level. In my mind, there is no separation.
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